Healing Piece By Piece - With Naiada Meci

Hello and welcome to another episode of Building Confidence with me. Sue Reed, here to help you build your self confidence by talking to guests every week on a wide variety of topics relating to confidence. Now, as well as hosting this podcast, I am also a confidence coach and writer. I now have a free weekly newsletter called Confidence Matters, and I'll put the details in the show notes in case you're interested. So now, with no further ado, let's jump into the episode. Neyadu Mechie was born and raised in Albania during the time it was still a dictatorship regime, and also during a civil war. So as a young girl, neyda witnessed the horror of war and also faced a near-death experience herself. At age 14, she was able to leave with her mom, brother and sister and moved to the US. But having gone through the trauma of war, she knew that she had to find a way to heal. So Neyda found a spiritual teacher to guide her, and from there she embarked on a profound personal healing process that ultimately led her to become a beacon of light for others. After really extensive training from her guide, she developed the skills and knowledge that are now helping other people through their own spiritual and healing transformations. She's also a certified life coach from the Jay Shetty School and specializes in trauma, and she's here today to share her own wisdom and insights on the importance of releasing and letting go past events so that you can live a happier and more fulfilled life. So welcome to the show, neyda. It's lovely to see you.

Thank you, it's very lovely seeing you as well.

Let's just start with my usual question, which is what would you say your definition of confidence would be?

That's a great question. So I would say, based on you know how I view the definition of confidence. It's an ability of doing certain things and feeling secure about and not in like an arrogant way, about in realistic and secure way, and not feeling like superior, that you're better than somebody else just because you do know how to do certain things. But it's quite more of a like, in a humble way, you have a knowledge, you're capable of doing certain things to overcome certain situations, to perform better or even use that part that you can do to educate others. So this is how I actually view confidence.

Yeah, absolutely yeah, I love that really good, thank you. So your story then obviously a very traumatic start to life. But you were born, did you say 1989, which was at the time when 1999 right, okay, which was around the time when the regime was changing, so it was moving from a dictatorship to more of a democracy, but there was a civil war going on at the time, so you were really born in the middle of a war. So growing up then you didn't really know what a like that was a normal life for you, whatever a normal life actually is.

But yeah, I mean absolutely being so. The time that I was born it was like the, the change between, like the dictatorship and then democracy in 1997, that's when, like the big civil war blow up was on. But living throughout this time was like. You know just to give the audience brief of a life of how it feels during like the regime change is like the water electricity it's a luxury. You know what I mean like it's something that you really see and you're grateful for. Because we didn't have drinking water, we had to like really walk miles and miles away to actually get water, and then electricity was like in a certain time of the day we didn't have it like throughout the whole 24 hours. So, regardless it was winter, regardless it was like summertime, it was just, you know, and TV, tv shows that were very restricted. So my childhoods was pretty much like spending outdoors and I mean you didn't have many resources or like now seeing like toys and TV shows for the kids and you couldn't say certain things, you couldn't do certain things. So you were very like limited during, the like limited of expressing yourself and being creative as a child at the age and you said you experienced a near-death event.

So so what happened there?

Oh well, then your death experience actually wasn't until I moved to US, until I had yeah, so like I was married and then divorced, so like that's when, like the, the whole you know, the spiritual journey and the healing journey started. So we can talk more about it later on in our conversation. That was during the time that I had Aya, my daughter. So it was like the postpartum depression leading to you know underlying issue, which it was a TIA, like a pre-stroke kind of thing, but it was early so I had to go through. I mean, it was a near-death experience and then I was intubated there. So it was about, you know, 10 years, 10 years ago, yes, I had just turned on the 24th, october 24th, so it was 10 years ago, okay okay.

Yes, it's interesting that I automatically assumed that that near-death experience must have been when you were in Albania, because that's where all the all the trouble was. Yep unfortunately it was not. No, it was in the good old US. Okay. So going back to Albania then, when you look back on your childhood now, were you a happy child? Well, you've said what life was like, but did you think, oh, you know, this isn't right, why is this happening to me? Or did you just think that was normal?

You know, I think it was normal at that time because, like you haven't seen what a childhood should look like, so you really see and you're able to really experience of what you have because lack of resources, there was no social media at that time, there was no phones, there was no. It was pretty much restricted on what you have in front of you and you have to be resourceful to really survive. At that time I would say I was just a really happy child, like a curious child, so like I wanted to experiment and do things like really by that time I felt like I wanted to do it, but it felt like I was locked in a cage, very restricted. I built a lot of frustration, a lot of anger, didn't realize until, like as I grew older and a lot of like lack of self expression and you know, just really being putting yourself like as a secondary and never as your primary resource and so. But then I realized, as I grew older, when people were speaking about childhood, I didn't recall, I couldn't remember anything, any type of event, and I didn't know that it was actually part of trauma. Until I start you know, my like I do have the bachelor's in psychology when we were actually like start studying like psychology and like the human brain and the human behavior. That's when, like they said, there was like a part of when the instructor said, like you know, if you don't recall your childhood, then that's because of like a tremendous trauma that you have had in the past and that's why you can't recall each other. And I'm like, oh my God, like that's why probably I can do recall any type of childhood memories, like blank, like I could not remember anything, what happened. I mean I would remember like the war and the things that has happened, as I mentioned, like not having resources, but like really a good memory. I could not recall any like happy, good memory, like I had no recall and at that time, like for the longest time all my life until recently, like past few years, if you ask me about the childhood, I would probably like skip the conversation, because the next thing that or like when I heard people talking about their childhood, like my heart was racing like all of a sudden. But I had no idea why, like, I was so unaware of like, why, like you know, they're just talking about childhood, they're just, you know, sharing the happy moments. And the next thing my hands were shaking and my like I got this like whole hands and feet and like the heart racing. So like I didn't know and you know I would hear the ambulance outside, like you know the sirens or anything like that. And so it was just until, like a few years ago, like my heart was like freaking out, like the anxiety will kick in. I had no idea why, you know it was not until like when we seen like the hospital helicopter. You know it was just a normal thing here in US and it was one time when we weren't with my family too, for the fourth of July it's the Independence Day here in US and we've seen, like this blue angels I don't know if you know like the show, and I got this like panic attack, like I could not breathe because and I did not know why. You know, the next thing I heard, just it was more like you know, my family saying like what's wrong with you? And I was like it was, you're fine, like it's just, you know, a show, so. But I had no idea of like why I felt the way I felt, until they started healing and became more conscious, to start learning more about the healing process. So yeah, like I don't know, like it was a happy time until I grew older and I heal myself.

That's when I realized that yeah, and there were times that you sounds like you completely, that it was a protection mechanism. Yeah, your brain was saying we do not want to remember this because it's bad. And then anything that was likely to remind you, like the ambulance, the helicopter, then your brain would just say no, no, no, no, you don't want to do this, keep away, keep away. So it's always like to protect you from getting hurt.

And we're not aware of it though, because, you know, if I was aware, I would have like sued myself and see like I'm fine, I'm safe, but I wasn't aware of it, Like you know. You know it's like, oh, it's just a sign Like, why am I freaking out? Like, why am my hands shaking? Why am I like my heart is like start racing, you know, but I didn't know. It was like, like, like resources, or I mean I should say like I don't know. Like at that time, like I was, you know, a high school kid trying to like, you know, I didn't take life as serious as I mean not serious, but like and really like the healing part as right now. But, yeah, absolutely Like, you're right, like it was like the brain that holds into, like the past that we're not aware of until we get triggered.

Yeah, so you came over. You went to America when you were 14, and presumably this was a totally different life to what you were used to. Like people could actually do more or less what they wanted.

Now, yeah, it was, you know. It's funny, though, like you're mentioning that, because when I first came to US, it felt like, like I can't describe it. It felt like a dream, but then yet like a shock, because you go from a very small town into a huge city now that it has resources. It has so many resources and it has so many options, not only about, like life in general, but like so many I mean, I know this sounds funny like even the grocery store. There were so many options, you know, and I was just so overwhelmed I'm like I just need this, like why there's so many options. And I now I'm laughing though, but like when I started healing, the healing process, it was just really brutal. It felt like death because, remembering that, you know, I was waiting for like the lights to shut off, like electricity shut off, until like my uncle he said that you know we don't have the electricity, like do we have it throughout the whole town, like wait 24 seven. He's like yeah, 27, you know. Or we were like saving those bottles of water to make sure that we had enough water, even though, like until like the uncle says again, he's like you don't have some water, you just have water 24 seven. So it was just a very weird experience, though, like you know, I am not ashamed to like really share that experience, because it's that's what happened. You know, and I'm sure there's so many people that come from like the same background and maybe like people that have had at worst, that probably felt the same.

Yeah, and that was like 2004, 2005.

Oh for you and then being exposed to different cultures, so many different cultures, when you're raised in very like, just you know, like only one type of religion, one type of culture, one type of like. There's just one thing there's no choices and options. They felt I was like. I felt really I didn't feel overwhelmed in a bad way. It felt like relieved of like wow, there's so many different types of people, like there's so many like that I'm making so curious to like know about, you know about them and about like just in general, like how do they do things? How do they do like. You know, I grew up with in Dearborn actually Dearborn, michigan at that time and I grew up with like majority of the population there were Arabic people. So like I was fascinated how they were doing certain things and how they were cooking and how they're like the language and it was just so cool, you know. So I seen them more as like time to explore, you know.

So at what point, then, did you think I have got an issue I need, I need to have some healing.

Oh, God, you know, I always I'll tell you like the whole my whole life, like I always wanted to do something different, like I had no idea what that was, I just knew that I wasn't happy where I was and with like the fact of like the different I mean the Albanian culture there were so many things I didn't agree with, the restrictions and stuff, and we have like very strict culture and we have to follow like certain things, certain ways. Like, when you're a woman, you do certain things, certain ways, and if you're a man, you do certain things, certain ways. There's so many like, there's so much division. You know you had to dress up a certain way, you have to say things a certain way, and if it's an older person, you have to talk in a certain way. So like, are we remembering all these? It felt very frustrated. So, and like you had no, like majority of the time, like you had no rights to say certain things because you're a woman or you were, you know, very restricted. So I start really all my life like I fought against the norm, you know, and it was very frustrated and it was very stressful, and because I wanted to break free, but like I didn't know how and and I was probably like the most greatest, I felt like though I shouldn't say I was, but like I really did felt like I was not the good child, I was like more of the child that if you say go left, they'll go right, just because it doesn't make sense to go left. And so, yeah, so I always was seeking, but I didn't know until, like after the divorce actually it was like about three and a half years, almost four years ago and then I said it's done. Like I felt like I wanted to run but I didn't know where to go. So I'm like where are you going to run? Like internally, Like I felt like I wanted to run but I didn't know from where. So like I just felt like I was screaming and run, I felt afraid, I felt like, like you know, being born and just left this child in the middle of the road and just felt a little abandoned.

Yeah, yeah, it sounds like. So what's coming up for me is You're kind of the way you were born. So the beginning of your life you were like almost trapped. So you're in a. You're kind of in a box because you're told exactly what to do, what to say, what to wear, what your life's going to look like. So it's a box and it just seems to me like you, you've spent your whole life trying to get out of that box, but without perhaps knowing where the door is and not knowing where you go. Once the door was open anyway, and perhaps even your marriage was another box. Would I be right that you put yourself into? Because we do that sometimes. We go from one one like trap to another almost in life, and it doesn't matter where we are. We follow that road until something knocks us off and then we get back on the right road or we find the right road.

Yeah, I mean absolutely. I mean it was just, I would really say you run from one box and then, the next thing you know, you end up in another box, because and it's not nobody to blame it's more of like you really don't know any better, because you really don't know yourself, because we, we learn, especially if you grow in the culture similar to what I grew up to you. Everything, it has time, everything has a certain age, like you know, during this time, you're supposed to do this and during that time, this age, you're too old, you're supposed to get married, especially for a woman. They're supposed to get married, nurture somebody else, you know, shut down their feelings, shut down their emotions. It's more like you are there to serve others but yourself. So it, I would definitely say it did felt like a box, you know, until you described it best when you said you know, now you're all on your own, but you didn't know what to do. So because it did felt like that, it felt like a world full of people, but then yet very alone.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So having decided to get out of that box, is that when you then found your, your spiritual guide, your teacher?

Yeah. So I start working that feeling of like you want to, like I felt like I wanted to run, but I didn't know where, until like I paused, and I remember it though, like I yelled at myself and I just like it sounds crazy, like I just kind of like at the house, you know, at the house I currently am at right now, like I yell at myself, I'm like running where? Like where are you going? Like to whom? To whom you know? So I'm like I can't run to anybody, but really start looking, finding faith. So this is where I said, like this is not what I am, because I was like okay, well, I like this one because that one told me to like it, and then I'm doing this because the other person told me to do it. And then it became like the whole brain became like oh my God, like who, like that question started asking like what am I if I take all these out? You know, I just felt naked, you know. So I start, I said like I'm done, like I got a. I isolated myself actually from friends, family, and luckily it was during the COVID time, like the first, when COVID first hit. So we were we were, you know, isolated anyway. But it worked in my advantage that I took that time to like start healing, you know, and really search about certain things or what I wanted, until I was introduced to a spiritual teacher. I never met her in person, but it was. She didn't live here, she lived in Egypt, unfortunately, I mean, she did pass away a few months ago. But you know, I felt like she was just this angel on earth that said I'm here to like take you home, which that's what she said, you know, I, you know. She said. I thought, like what do you want to work on? And I thought, like I have no idea, like I don't know where to start. You know, I felt so lost, and she's seen it. I was so lost and I said I don't know where I'm going, I don't know what I'm doing, and and she looked at me and she says, and they're like I'm here for you. And I said I don't know, like where are you taking me? And she's like I'm taking you home. But I didn't know what she meant by it until until, really, that she was taking me home to discovering myself, to being me, to taking me home, to putting my parts of my soul together and really the trauma me, the childhood, me like really healing piece by piece. So that's why we did we start healing piece by piece and and here I am.

That's amazing, that's amazing. I'm well done, well done for getting to where you are. And so where are you now in your journey, would you say?

So that's why I actually considered it as a journey, because you go through a spiritual awakening which is very similar to inner child healing and really healing yourself and finding yourself in self-discovery. It's a journey. It's just a never-ending. You know, until we depart from this world, at the place right now where I really found my mission and my life purpose, and there are there things that needs to be healed absolutely. But there was a promise that I made to myself and to the spiritual teacher that I would never stop healing and becoming better. So not for myself but like really for serving others. Because seeing right now that what my healing and my story and helping other clients as a life coach, seeing their life transform, it's just beautiful. You know, it's beautiful because you're able to, and this is why I always, I'm a firm believer now that gratitude, living with gratitude all your life, and really seeing that pain as what is that trying to teach me, rather than it's trying to break me. You know, because when we are saying that, oh, this experience, and we start blaming others for hurting us and we start blaming others for living in the, you know, this is who I am. I can't change it. This is how I am shaped. I know you're not shaped like that and, yes, you are shaped like that, but you, this is not who you are. It's the victim hood mentality that we have, that we are carrying as our identity, that this is who I am, by taking those pain and darkness that we are victimizing in order to feel pity for ourselves and then hurting somebody else. You know, and it's a chain of reaction until, like, you wake up and you say I'm done Like, I'm done hurting, I'm done hurting others and I'm done being hurt too, because there's no, I feel like there's no human on this earth that hasn't hurt somebody and hasn't been hurt by somebody. You know. So we all have hurt somebody, and then we all have been hurt by somebody else. Why? Because we at that time, like we weren't. We were really like living life asleep and we weren't aware for our patterns, until, like you know. But it can be done and it's possible to really heal and to really realize that the world isn't a horrible place. It's just the experience that makes us see the world and view our world as our inner world, making us see the outer world as a horrible place.

Absolutely, yeah, yeah. And when you look around, especially if you watch the media, everything you read, everything you see you would believe that this is an awful world, absolutely, but I truly believe there is more beauty in the world than ugliness. I mean, there has to be a balance. There has to be a balance. That's just how the universe works and, like you say, we're given trials and challenges that we need to overcome, but we make our own choices. We are 100% responsible for the life that we've been given and what we do with it, and if we waste it, then that's our choice, nobody else's. So do you feel, then, that when you have that feeling inside that you wanted to run but you didn't know where was there a calling inside you? Do you think to try and get you on this path, so that your mission in life is to help other people?

Yeah. So it was not until like the near death experience, to be honest with you, that, yes, you were seeking, I was seeking the whole all along. But until then that I woke up and I said, like this is done and this is it, you know, because I felt like I remember, you know, praying at that time, like, and I said, like you know, I mean you can call it God, universe I don't want to create any division or specific names, because I mean praying to the higher power and I said this is it Like, that's it Like? Like I have not, like that's life, you're taking me just like that, like you know, I mean, like I was. I remember that part. And then, you know, after I woke up and you know, I couldn't realize of what happened. It was more of like a blank out, like I realized I didn't know what time it was, I didn't know what day it was, I didn't know like it was just really a rehab after that, because I was just like I couldn't recall what happened until, like they're telling me, like six months to a year after that I remembered of what actually happened. That's when I said, like you know, and I looked at my daughter at that time, as a child, as a baby, I was like, oh my God, like I don't want her to be like me. I mean, it felt sad, though, like to say at that time, and I said, like what do I do with this thing? Like I'm not even ready to raise her, like I'm not even prepared because I wasn't, I wasn't even ready myself, like I couldn't even deal with life myself, Like I'm like how can I raise her? So I start reading like books of how to raise a child and how to like really, you know what I mean. So I that's why I feel like it was a blessing, you know. So I feel like her coming into life, it was God universe. However, you, you know, refer to sending it as a sign of it's time to use her as a guide, as a strength. Every time you want to give up that you can't give up. You have no choice to give up. And she, if you want to raise her different, you got to be different. You got to change yourself in order for her not to be like you.

Yeah.

So, looking at her, I don't think I would have went through a healing process and if it wasn't for her, I would have probably just kept running. Just, I mean kept running, kept living myself in like autopilot until she came. There's so many specific events that she has asked and I'm like, wow, I do it. And now she's telling me like mom, you do that too. And I'm like, oh, oh, no, this cannot happen. You know, I mean like there's so certain things that she made me aware and conscious about certain things. So, yeah, definitely it was her coming into this world that woke me up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean call it the higher power, god, universe. You know, I just like I say the universe, the universe has a way of when it knows that you're so close and you're so near to your path, it does have a way of giving you that final shove, like I've tried everything else. Now you're going to have a baby. That's how I tie you down. I'm going to give you something to look after.

You will be struck. You have a moment where you're actually. You're like, oh wow, I had so many wake up calls, but I was actually after the healer, like I had this time and this time and that time, like where you're like universe to God, like you told us you'd like to wake up. I didn't listen.

You're like wow really.

There's so many signs out there. If I didn't, I couldn't see. And until she came into this role and said there you go, I'll give you a bigger challenge here.

Yeah, this challenge is going to last you the next 18 plus years. Absolutely. You're never going to give up. Oh yeah, never Bless you. So what are you doing with your clients now? Well, rather not so much what you're doing with them, but what sort of clients come to you. What are the issues people present to you with?

There's so many different reasons. So there are clients that you really know what they want to work on. It depends on the level of awareness. So they really know what they want to work on. Like they're inner childhood traumas, past events that has happened to them and they can't move past certain things. Clients that recently are dealing with grief but they don't know how to overcome it and they need that support to heal Inner childhood majority of the clients. So they really want to transform their lives repeating the same patterns into a romantic relationship but they don't know why there's so many different reasons. There's clients that they don't know why they're seeing me, but they just know that they want to see me. You know what I mean and then after you ask them to keep questions and after assessing, then it's a wheel. After that you just start realizing and you start discovering certain things.

Yeah, yeah. So people come to you and they know they want to make a change. They know they're in a bad place, but they don't know what to do next and they don't even know. They can't even put into words what's wrong with them. You just need to work it out.

Yeah, it's so funny that I had a no funny, but like it's actually very brilliant the way they described it. And they said I don't know what I am here for and not what I'm supposed to work on, but I feel like I'm running as a hamster on a wheel trying to chase the cheese or something they said. Then they just keep going in the wheel, like keep running as a hamster on the wheel, and they keep going in the same pattern, the same, repeating the same cycle, but they just don't know why. So I mean just having that analogy, I think that's brilliant because that's how we all, I think that's how we all been, until we said I'm ready to hop off this wheel and I call it a highway, but I just had to take a different exit, not that highway, but they called it a wheel, so whatever works for them.

Absolutely, yeah, absolutely. So, oh God, this has been so interesting, fascinating story and I'm so glad you are where you are, and I'm so glad you are in a position now where, even though you're not completely healed, because none of us are I know I'm not either but you are in a position now where you are a few steps ahead of others, so that you can now shine the light back for them, which I think is really important. So, if somebody wanted to get in touch with you or know more about what you do, where can people find you?

Yeah, so I actually recently just launched my website. It's at neyadomechicom. There they are able to book a 30 minutes free session and I do have certain packages, but there's packages that they don't resonate with them Normally. I highly recommend to just book the first session and then we can go from there. They can find me on Facebook, instagram the email is actually included on the Instagram page as well, too, and it's the same name neyadomechi, n-a-i-a-d-a and then M-E-C-I, because it's not very common name. So I have to. I will put it on the show now. All social media, so I kept the same name on everything. So, absolutely, they can always reach out and I always tell clients. Sometimes they're afraid because they say, oh, but I feel like if I have to do the 30 minutes free, then they feel obligated to do sessions and absolutely there's no pressure and there's no, they don't feel obligated. I feel like it takes a lot of courage to take that step to say I'll just fill this 30 minute session because I'm not losing anything. So what's the worst? That I can lose Nothing, but you actually will gain something or you probably will become aware of a certain thing for that 30 minutes session, because there's so many things a week are in the 30 minutes process. So I mean just take advantage of, like the free 30 minutes session Absolutely.

Yeah, I totally back that because I think you know I mean there's good and bad and everything. But I know with all the life coaches I've come across, whether they're from the Jay Shetty School or from elsewhere, all the ones that I've dealt with, they're there to serve, they're not there to try, and you know, get your money, sell you something you don't want. They all totally care about what they're doing. It's we're on a mission, absolutely. And once you're on that mission, the mission, the mission comes first and you look at your client as a human, not as a client. They're a human first, client second. So, yeah, I would say, definitely take advantage of the 30 minute call Because, you know, even if that just gives you an insight into what you need to think about, then that's a start, that's a starting point. It's almost like saying, well, there you go, here's the map. You want to do it on your own. Well, there's your starting point. You go off and you know if you need guidance then come back again.

So healing can be done on its own, can it be? Yes, personally, I did it. It felt I fell off, like so many times, because you get intimidated. You get intimidated especially if you're not strong enough, like in the healing process. You get intimidated by social media and I know you had Dr the previous session. I heard him saying like how we compare ourselves based on sort of and that was me before too and I think there's no other I wouldn't be shocked if somebody said they've never done it and you fell off. You fell off because you're intimidated by friends and you're afraid of letting go and there's so many things. I feel like investing on yourself and healing yourself. It really takes you. I mean, see a therapist, a coach and, as you mentioned, like a good coach, they're doing it for a mission and not for you know money like you know, you know you really straight with no, you pick it up energetically. You'll feel it and this is what it is the case. To be honest with you, like I always tell the clients and I do have it on the website that if they purchase the package and they think that they have not done anything, they have not seen any difference, I reimbursed the clients back up to 100% off their money Because, as you said, my goal is to really serve and change their life and not for me to be rich and a millionaire and just really be famous, like you know. I mean like have the same and have all that. But if it's not working, then I reimbursed the money at 100% back for all the clients. I've never had it reimbursed back, you know, but because I always see a change. But this is what it is like serious that here to serve and guide. Because at the end of the day, like there's nobody that will heal you, heal, you, accept you. Like for me, I could be a guide, the touring guide, like showing you the map and support and tell you from my experience and tell you from my knowledge. But at the end of the day, like the person that has to go through that pain and release that pain it's, it's you, you know, and yeah, that's why not everybody heals, because you know healing it's not easy and, to be honest with you, at times it feels you're feeling great, you're feeling like life it's good, and the next minute you're feeling like you're walking through death valley, you know, because it feels like you're dying, anxiety, fears and worries on resurfacing. But yes, it does feel like death because and I tell the clients to that it feels like that because but you're not dying, it's because something in you it's dying. Yeah, it's a really great to let go and really rediscover yourself, because all that is stored in our body and in order for us to really rediscover who we are, we just have to let it go. They have to go out just like how they came in.

Absolutely, yeah, absolutely. So just before we finish off then, is there anything else you want to add or is there a message you want to leave listeners with?

Yeah. So thank you for asking that question To everyone out there who is actually listening to this podcast, to this interview today. She wanted to let them know that if you get what you want and you're still holding into what you have, let it go Sometimes like we could definitely play that victim mentality where we can say like, why did it happen to us? This is so hard and we it's so hard and difficult to handle? Yes, you can handle it, because universe, god, whatever you're referring to it, would not test you, it would not push you through the limit. You can't handle it. It's because I mean, the harder your experience, it's because the stronger and the bigger your, your life purposes. So really take it as I'm ready to knock this out, I'm ready to, I'm grateful I'm here, I have another day and take it as a learning experience because your pain will be somebody else's strength by you healing. And, trust me, you're not going to die from the experience. You're still surviving it Because you have a greater power that's with you throughout the whole time. It just takes that courage and that little bit push in order for you and the greater power to me halfway.

Absolutely, that's beautiful, thank you. Thank you for that. This has been such an interesting conversation. Thank you so much for coming and talking to us and your insights and you know I'll keep saying it I am so happy for you that you, you are where you are and that you've you've come back to the light.

Thank you. So I really appreciate it and I I this is my second time being on this such a platform, but I mean I could not thank you enough and people like you. They're doing podcasts and sharing their voice because it's really it makes a difference. You know, during that healing time there's so many times that I've actually heard podcast and the moments that I needed that pick me up moment, you know. So really thank you for using your voice on the platform to just spread the word and spread the voice out there.

Thank you, oh, bless you. Thank you so much. It's lovely to see you. So you take care of yourself, thank you. Thank you for joining us today and I hope you enjoyed the conversation. All contact information is in the show notes for you. Have a lovely week and tune in again next Wednesday. Thank you.